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02/01/2007 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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03:10:01 PM Overview: Alaska Public School Funding Formula
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
 HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                        February 1, 2007                                                                                        
                           3:09 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Bob Roses, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  ALASKA PUBLIC SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
EDDY JEANS, Director                                                                                                            
Division of School Finance                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an overview of Alaska's public                                                                    
school funding formula.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PEGGY WILSON called the  House Health, Education and Social                                                             
Services  Standing  Committee meeting  to  order  at 3:09:46  PM.                                                             
Representatives  Wilson, Roses,  Fairclough, Seaton,  Cissna, and                                                               
Gardner  were  present at  the  call  to order.    Representative                                                               
Neuman  arrived  as  the  meeting  was  in  progress.    Also  in                                                               
attendance were Representatives Chenault and Edgmon.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:10:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Overview:  Alaska Public School Funding Formula                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
an overview  of Alaska's public school  funding formula, commonly                                                               
known as the foundation formula.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:11:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDDY JEANS,  Director, Division of School  Finance, Department of                                                               
Education and  Early Development (EED), noted  that the committee                                                               
packet should  include the PowerPoint  that he will  review today                                                               
as  well as  document  entitled, "Public  School Funding  Program                                                               
Overview Updated  January 2007."   Mr.  Jeans began  by reminding                                                               
the  committee  that  the current  state  public  school  funding                                                               
formula was adopted  under Senate Bill 36 in 1998  and is defined                                                               
in  AS  14.17.    He   then  explained  that  the  average  daily                                                               
membership (ADM) is based on  enrollment during the 20-school-day                                                               
count  period  ending on  the  fourth  Friday  of October.    The                                                               
reports are due within two weeks  after the end of the 20-school-                                                               
day count period and student  projections for the upcoming school                                                               
year are  collected.  The  budget is based on  the aforementioned                                                               
projections.   Those  who qualify  as  a student  are defined  in                                                               
statute as  a child who  is six years  of age prior  to September                                                               
1st and  under the age 20,  and hasn't completed the  12th grade.                                                               
With  regard to  the  completion  of the  12th  grade, Mr.  Jeans                                                               
explained that many students may  complete course requirements by                                                               
the age  of 17 or 18,  but may not  have passed one piece  of the                                                               
high school  exit exam.   This [definition  of a  student] allows                                                               
the state to  provide funding to the school district  in order to                                                               
provide remedial sources and classes  until such a student passes                                                               
the high school  exit exam.  A  child five years of  age prior to                                                               
September 1st,  following the  beginning of  the school  year may                                                               
enter  kindergarten.   A child  with a  disability and  an active                                                               
Individualized Education  Program (IEP)  may enter school  at the                                                               
age of 3 and funding is provided up to the age of 22.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:15:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  mentioned that in some  schools the school                                                               
has a  transient population.   Therefore, he  inquired as  to why                                                               
the ADM isn't calculated  twice a year.  He also  asked if an ADM                                                               
could be calculated  [a second time] and  adjustments [in funding                                                               
made] to reflect any changes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS related that prior to  the funding formula there was an                                                               
optional count  for those  school districts  with an  increase in                                                               
student  population.   The  aforementioned  allowed those  school                                                               
districts  the  additional  resources necessary  due  to  student                                                               
population increases.  However, during  the debate on Senate Bill                                                               
36,  the  legislature  elected  to   remove  that  option  and  a                                                               
statutory change would  be required to do something  else.  Under                                                               
the  current funding  formula  there isn't  a  mechanism for  the                                                               
money to  follow students when  they move between districts.   In                                                               
further response  to Representative  Neuman, Mr. Jeans  said that                                                               
tracking  such   would  create  an   additional  burden   on  the                                                               
department.  Although  the tracking of such  students is possible                                                               
due  to the  state's  student  identification system,  additional                                                               
collection efforts  throughout the year  would be required.   Mr.                                                               
Jeans clarified  that the department  does make  monthly payments                                                               
to school districts  and thus it's possible  to make adjustments.                                                               
Therefore, the question  is how many times  would the legislature                                                               
want to  adjust a  school's budget during  the school  year after                                                               
the district has already staffed based on that budget.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:19:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  continued his  PowerPoint and  related that  there are                                                               
five steps  to adjusting the  ADM.  The  first step is  to adjust                                                               
the ADM  for school  size, which  requires reviewing  the student                                                               
population within a community.   He related that a community with                                                               
an  ADM  of  10 through  100  is  funded  as  one school  in  the                                                               
community.   A community with an  ADM of 101-425 is  funded as if                                                               
there  are two  schools  and the  student  population is  divided                                                               
between  grades K-6  and  7-12.   For  a  community  with an  ADM                                                               
greater  than 425,  each school  is  administered separately  and                                                               
adjusted  independently.   However,  the  ADM  of an  alternative                                                               
school with an  ADM of less than 200 students  is counted as part                                                               
of the  school with  the highest  ADM.  A  charter school  has to                                                               
have 150 or more to be adjusted  as a separate facility.  In both                                                               
cases  if  the  thresholds  specified aren't  met,  that  student                                                               
population will be counted as part  of the school in the district                                                               
with the highest ADM.   Therefore, the school doesn't receive the                                                               
benefit    of   going    through   the    size-adjustment   table                                                               
independently.   The ADM of  schools with fewer than  10 students                                                               
is added to the smallest school  in the district.  He related his                                                               
understanding that  the aforementioned was to  provide the school                                                               
districts with as  much revenue as possible for  those very small                                                               
schools.   However, the first  year after the passage  of [Senate                                                               
Bill  36]  Kodiak  Island  had  one school  that  barely  had  10                                                               
students and  another that had 7  or 8 students and  when the two                                                               
were combined no  additional funding was received for  those 7 or                                                               
8 students.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:23:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS informed  the committee that he would  utilize the Nome                                                               
City  Schools  through  the entire  calculation  of  the  [public                                                               
school  funding  formula].   Nome  has  four schools  within  its                                                               
district,  including the  Nome Youth  Facility.   Since the  Nome                                                               
Youth Facility is  a state detention facility, it's  counted as a                                                               
separate facility for funding purposes  as are all such detention                                                               
facilities.   Basically, the  state is  working under  a contract                                                               
with the school districts to serve those students.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:23:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  described the situation  in Wrangell where  the ADM                                                               
for  the  three  schools  in  the  district  is  under  450;  the                                                               
[district] only receives funds for  two schools.  Still, there is                                                               
a building supervisor in all three schools.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:24:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS,  in response to Representative  Cissna, specified that                                                               
McLaughlin  is a  youth  detention facility  and  the North  Star                                                               
Elementary  School  and  the school  within  API  are  considered                                                               
alternative schools.  In fact,  [the department] has an agreement                                                               
with the  Anchorage School District  to count those  under Whaley                                                               
Center.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:25:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS returned  to  his presentation  and  pointed out  that                                                               
within the Nome  City schools, the Anvil City  Science Academy, a                                                               
charter school, has  fewer than 150 students and thus  its ADM is                                                               
added to the largest school  in the district, the Nome Elementary                                                               
School.   The total ADM  for the Nome City  schools is 965.   Mr.                                                               
Jeans then  drew attention  to the  school size  adjustment table                                                               
provided,  which specifies  that  for schools  of 10-20  students                                                               
there is a base allocation of  39.6.  For every student above 20,                                                               
1.62  is  added  to  the  39.6.   However,  as  the  school  size                                                               
increases,  the  adjustment  is   reduced  in  order  to  address                                                               
economies of scale.  The  larger the student population, the more                                                               
efficient  it  should be  to  operate  that  school.   Mr.  Jeans                                                               
informed the committee that the  formula restricts the revenue to                                                               
school  districts  with  fewer  than 10  students  in  a  school.                                                               
Therefore, [the district] is encouraged  to close the school.  He                                                               
clarified that the  state doesn't close the school.   In response                                                               
to Chair  Wilson, he  further clarified that  a school  with less                                                               
than 10  students doesn't have to  close.  In fact,  often school                                                               
districts will  work with communities  with schools  smaller than                                                               
10 students and  allow the school a year to  increase its student                                                               
population.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  interjected that in  Naknek it's less  expensive to                                                               
fly the  students back and  forth to attend a  neighboring school                                                               
across the river rather than run the local school.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:29:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS, in  response to  Representative Seaton,  recalled the                                                               
boarding  school   legislation  that  passed  last   year,  which                                                               
ultimately didn't  include the provision  to hold  harmless those                                                               
schools that  fell below a  population of  10.  Again,  Mr. Jeans                                                               
confirmed that the state doesn't  mandate the closure of a school                                                               
with less than 10 students, rather  it's left for the district to                                                               
decide.   In  response  to Representative  Fairclough, Mr.  Jeans                                                               
reminded the committee that under  current statute the ADM of any                                                               
school  that falls  below 10  students is  added to  the smallest                                                               
school in  the district.   The  belief, he  related, is  that the                                                               
next smallest  school in the district  would have an ADM  of more                                                               
than 20 and thus there would  be some funding for the school with                                                               
a population below  10 students.  However, he  emphasized that at                                                               
that level, it's not enough to  maintain the school on an ongoing                                                               
basis.  In  most cases, the state does allocate  some funds for a                                                               
school with a  population of less than 10  students, although the                                                               
earlier example  with Kodiak illustrates the  rare situation when                                                               
no additional funds are received.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:31:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS continued  his presentation  by discussing  the second                                                               
step in determining the district  adjusted ADM, which is to apply                                                               
the  district cost  factors.    Senate Bill  36  required EED  to                                                               
review the  area cost differentials  and make  recommendations to                                                               
the legislature for adjustments.   The department attempted to do                                                               
so in 2001.   However, the methodology utilized  to establish the                                                               
cost differentials  was no longer  valid and thus  the department                                                               
performed an internal analysis that  it ran by the McDowell Group                                                               
who created the original cost  differentials.  The McDowell Group                                                               
concurred  with  EED  that  its  methodology  couldn't  be  used.                                                               
Therefore,  EED asked  the  legislature  to fund  a  study.   The                                                               
legislature  appropriated funds  to  the  Legislative Budget  and                                                               
Audit Committee  to do so  and it  commissioned a study  with the                                                               
American Institute  for Research  from California.   There  was a                                                               
lot of  debate over the  results from the American  Institute for                                                               
Research study,  which resulted in the  legislature commissioning                                                               
another study with the Institute  of Social and Economic Research                                                               
(ISER) of  the University of  Alaska Anchorage.  The  peer review                                                               
of the ISER  study said that the methodology was  sound, but that                                                               
some of the data wasn't sound  or applied appropriately.  At that                                                               
point,  the legislature  contracted  with ISER  to  use the  same                                                               
methodology,  but change  some specific  components  in order  to                                                               
develop new cost differentials.   The aforementioned was done two                                                               
years ago and  just last year the  legislature passed legislation                                                               
that  implemented  a   quarter  of  the  increase   in  the  cost                                                               
differentials recommended  by ISER  for a  one-year period.   The                                                               
cost of  the aforementioned was approximately  $24 million, which                                                               
was included  in the governor's  budget.   However, it will  be a                                                               
grant determined  on the amount  that the district  received this                                                               
year.  As  currently proposed in the governor's  budget, a school                                                               
district that  benefited by  $100,000 this  year would  expect to                                                               
receive a $100,000 grant next year.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS,  in response to Representative  Neuman, explained that                                                               
$24 million was for the  cost differentials and an additional $11                                                               
million allocated  for school improvement  grants for a  total of                                                               
$35 million.  The $11 million  was the equivalent of an $81 grant                                                               
per child.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:36:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON inquired  as to  how the  cost of  fuel is                                                               
factored into the district cost factor.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  answered  that  heating   and  utility  costs  are  a                                                               
component of  the cost  factor.  When  the American  Institute of                                                               
Research did its model, it  developed prototype schools and broke                                                               
[the costs]  down by regions  of the  state.  However,  when ISER                                                               
compared  the  aforementioned cost  model  to  the actual  energy                                                               
costs of  the state,  there was a  large difference.   Therefore,                                                               
the  updated study  ISER performed  used actual  energy costs  in                                                               
2004.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON mentioned  that some  schools are  better insulated                                                               
than others and the cost of fuel may vary.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:37:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  surmised  then  that  in  the  governor's                                                               
budget,   the  cost   differential  is   a  set   dollar  amount.                                                               
Therefore,  if  the  base  student  allocation  increases,  those                                                               
percentages that  were allocated  to districts won't  include any                                                               
relationship to the new base student allocation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:38:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS said  he  believes Representative  Seaton is  correct.                                                               
Mr. Jeans then returned to  his presentation and pointed out that                                                               
the cost factors, which are set  in statute, are specific to each                                                               
school  district.   The district  cost factors  range from  1.00-                                                               
1.736.   The  adjusted ADM  is  multiplied by  the district  cost                                                               
factor to arrive at  the new adjusted ADM.  The  next step in the                                                               
public school  funding formula  is to take  the new  adjusted ADM                                                               
and increase it by 20 percent for special needs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:39:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON related  her understanding  that the  district cost                                                               
factors are  also used  for day  care centers to  be paid  by the                                                               
state for  qualifying children.   She recalled that  the district                                                               
cost factors are utilized for other things as well.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS noted his agreement  that there are other programs that                                                               
use  these  cost  differentials,  although he  didn't  know  what                                                               
programs those are.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  opined then  that  this  formula  is a  factor  in                                                               
funding other aspects of the state budget.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:40:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  returned to the special  needs funding, which is  a 20                                                               
percent block  grant that  is intended  to help  school districts                                                               
with   special  education,   vocational  education,   gifted  and                                                               
talented education,  and bilingual and bicultural  education.  To                                                               
qualify for  the funding, school  districts had to submit  a plan                                                               
indicating  how those  services would  be provided.   All  school                                                               
districts did so in 1999.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:41:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked if  the  department  follows up  on                                                               
whether the 20 percent block grant is utilized as specified.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  answered   that  there  is  follow-up   in  terms  of                                                               
compliance with  the federal  Individuals With  Disabilities Act.                                                               
He pointed out that the  department doesn't require the districts                                                               
to split  the block in  a certain way,  but rather leaves  it for                                                               
the local school district to decide.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:42:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  inquired  as  to  what  happens  in  those  school                                                               
districts with more than 20 percent special needs children.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS replied  that such  a  school district  would need  to                                                               
utilize   other  resources   generated  through   the  foundation                                                               
program.   Mr. Jeans acknowledged  that many believe that  the 20                                                               
percent  block  for special  needs  isn't  enough.   However,  he                                                               
pointed out that on a statewide  basis the 20 percent for special                                                               
needs provided $4 million more  than the previous funding formula                                                               
that  included  categorical funding.    On  an individual  school                                                               
district basis, some  schools receive more and some  less in this                                                               
category.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:43:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  inquired as to whether  the 20 percent                                                               
multiplier will  help or  hurt a larger  urban district,  such as                                                               
her district which includes Anchorage,  Chugiak, and Eagle River.                                                               
She indicated that  Anchorage is more of a hub  for special needs                                                               
students from rural areas.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS reiterated  that many  school districts  don't believe                                                               
that  the 20  percent  is  enough.   As  the session  progresses,                                                               
typically the  legislature determines  how much  additional funds                                                               
will be  provided.  Mr. Jeans  said that he has  done analysis on                                                               
this component regarding the result  of placing the 20 percent in                                                               
the base  student allocation or  if the 20 percent  is increased.                                                               
The result  of either is practically  a wash.  Therefore,  if the                                                               
legislature  has  additional  funds, it  doesn't  matter  whether                                                               
those funds  are added  to the  special needs  funding or  to the                                                               
base student allocation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  asked  if Anchorage  gained  or  lost                                                               
money under the special education  category when the process went                                                               
to a 1.2 model factor for the formula.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  offered to provide that  information to Representative                                                               
Fairclough.  He then highlighted  that under the previous formula                                                               
there  were four  different special  education categories,  which                                                               
were based on  level of service.  There were  five categories for                                                               
bilingual   and  bicultural   students  and   one  category   for                                                               
vocational  education.    Under  the old  formula,  there  was  a                                                               
relatively  stagnant student  population, although  the bilingual                                                               
and bicultural category  was increasing each year as  well as the                                                               
special  education  category.   The  legislature  didn't  provide                                                               
additional  funding   through  what  is  now   the  base  student                                                               
allocation.   Therefore,  there was  a perception  that districts                                                               
were labeling children in order to generate revenue.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:46:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  commented  that  depending  upon  the                                                               
model for special needs education, it  could cost more or less to                                                               
serve students in rural Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  remarked that  in some  schools the  students don't                                                               
speak English  until the 3rd  grade and thus those  schools would                                                               
need 100 percent funding rather than just 20 percent.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  highlighted that although every  school is                                                               
mandated to  provide for  special needs,  not every  community is                                                               
able to accommodate the special needs in the same way.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON further  remarked  that whether  the allocation  is                                                               
fair  or not  depends  upon who  is looking  at  the numbers  and                                                               
situations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  informed the  committee that the  state is                                                               
responsible for building the schools  in rural areas.  Therefore,                                                               
if there  are schools that aren't  up to the standards  the state                                                               
would desire, it's the state's fault to some degree.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  reminded the committee  that this system  is different                                                               
than the prior system in  which students were categorized and had                                                               
to receive services within those  categories.  However, under the                                                               
current system  the 20 percent  special needs funding  is applied                                                               
across the board  to all students after the school  size and cost                                                               
factor are determined.  The  analysis between the old formula and                                                               
the  new formula  found that  the new  formula provides  about $4                                                               
million more.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:52:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS highlighted that the  intensive services funding is the                                                               
only special  education category  that is broken  out separately.                                                               
For  a school  district to  receive funding  under the  intensive                                                               
services category,  students must  receive services and  the head                                                               
count is done on the last  day of the 20-school-day count period.                                                               
The  student also  has to  have an  active IEP  identifying those                                                               
services.    An  intensive services  student  generates  $26,900,                                                               
which is equivalent to five  times the base [student allocation].                                                               
Therefore, the intensive  student count is multiplied  by five to                                                               
determine  the number  of intensive  school [students],  which is                                                               
added to  the adjusted  ADM.   In response  to Chair  Wilson, Mr.                                                               
Jeans clarified  that intensive  services students  are typically                                                               
those students  requiring a one-on-one  attention of  a full-time                                                               
aide.   He  confirmed  that  such an  aide  can  be difficult  to                                                               
obtain, and  the State  Board of  Education recently  amended its                                                               
regulations to allow a ratio of  three students to one aide.  Mr.                                                               
Jeans noted that the intensive  services students must meet other                                                               
criteria, such  as needing assistance  in daily living  skills in                                                               
two areas  and need special  transportation services.   There are                                                               
six to seven categories that must  be met in order to qualify for                                                               
the intensive  services funding.   In response  to Representative                                                               
Fairclough,  Mr.  Jeans  clarified that  for  intensive  services                                                               
students the  formula uses  a multiplier of  five to  account for                                                               
the  high  cost of  these  students.    He reiterated  that  each                                                               
intensive  services student  generates an  additional $26,900  to                                                               
account for  the high cost  of providing educational  services to                                                               
these students.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:55:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  surmised then  that each  intensive needs                                                               
student is treated as though  he/she is five students for funding                                                               
purposes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  replied yes.  He  then clarified that all  the formula                                                               
is addressing to this point is the student count.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:57:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  moved on  to the final  adjustment within  the student                                                               
count,  which is  the correspondence  adjustment.   Each  student                                                               
enrolled  in   a  correspondence   program  is  funded   at  .80.                                                               
Therefore, the  number of  correspondence students  is multiplied                                                               
by  .80  and  then  added  to  the adjusted  ADM.    All  of  the                                                               
aforementioned results  in the final  district adjusted ADM.   At                                                               
that point the  final district adjusted ADM is  multiplied by the                                                               
base student allocation to arrive  at the basic need entitlement.                                                               
He  then  reviewed  the  formula  with Nome  as  the  example  as                                                               
provided  on the  PowerPoint  slide  entitled, "NOME:  Summarized                                                               
District Adjusted ADM & Basic Need."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:59:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS turned  the committee's attention to who  pays for this                                                               
basic need after it is  established.  The following three sources                                                               
of revenue  are considered: the  required local  contribution for                                                               
municipalities,  federal impact  aid,  and state  aid.   He  then                                                               
highlighted the  slide entitled, "[Senate  Bill] 174 Full  & True                                                               
Value/Local  Effort Calculation."   Senate  Bill 174  established                                                               
1999 as  the base  year and  any increases in  the full  and true                                                               
value over  the base year  are only 50  percent of the  base year                                                               
value.   The state  has been  under the  aforementioned provision                                                               
for seven  years.  He  mentioned that this proposal  flew through                                                               
the  legislature  because  it  only   amounted  to  $3.6  million                                                               
statewide.   However, today the  impact of this provision  is $50                                                               
million in fiscal  year (FY) 08.  He clarified  that under Senate                                                               
Bill  174 communities  that are  growing  communities would  only                                                               
count  50 percent  of  the growth  while  those communities  that                                                               
aren't  growing are  still  held  at the  4  mill required  local                                                               
contribution.  He characterized it as a taxpayer subsidy.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:01:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS related  that the  property value  in the  Bristol Bay                                                               
area hasn't  increased and thus a  4 mill levy is  applied to it.                                                               
However,   the  Matanuska-Susitna   Borough   has  been   growing                                                               
tremendously,  but  only 50  percent  of  the increase  has  been                                                               
counted  over  the  past  seven   years.    Therefore,  when  one                                                               
calculates  the required  local contribution  for the  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna Borough  and compares it  to the borough's full  and true                                                               
value as  established by the  state assessor, it  contributes the                                                               
equivalent of  a $2.8 mill contribution.   He pointed out  that a                                                               
mill on a $100,000 home would result  in $100 in taxes and thus a                                                               
$100,000  homeowner in  the Matanuska-Susitna  Borough would  pay                                                               
$280 to  support education.   However, in Bristol Bay  a property                                                               
owner  of  a  $100,000  home would  contribute  $400  to  support                                                               
education.   Additionally,  this  applies  to newly  incorporated                                                               
boroughs, but  Mr. Jeans said he  didn't know how to  calculate a                                                               
newly  incorporated   district's  local  contribution   since  it                                                               
doesn't have a base from 1999.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:04:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  opined  that  an  area  that  is  losing  students                                                               
receives  less  per  student, while  the  local  contribution  to                                                               
education is  higher than  an area  that is  experiencing growth.                                                               
Therefore, there are concerns regarding  areas that don't pay the                                                               
full [local  contribution] because  the state is  providing those                                                               
areas more funds per student than other areas.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  inquired as to  the history that  lead to                                                               
the passage of Senate Bill 174.   She also inquired as to whether                                                               
that legislation passed the "red face test."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS recalled  that after  the passage  of Senate  Bill 36,                                                               
there was an effort in the  Senate to increase the required local                                                               
contribution for  the North Slope Borough,  Valdez, and Unalaska.                                                               
The  foundation   program  specifies   that  a   local  community                                                               
contributes the equivalent of a 4  mill tax levy up to 45 percent                                                               
of  basic need.   The  aforementioned establishes  a ceiling  and                                                               
guarantees state  aid above that  ceiling.  The  Senate attempted                                                               
to increase that ceiling for  the aforementioned three districts,                                                               
which  proved  to  be  difficult.   Mr.  Jeans  opined  that  the                                                               
rationale  may have  been that  if  the ceiling  for those  three                                                               
communities couldn't be raised,  then other communities shouldn't                                                               
have to pay  more as property values increase.   The $3.6 million                                                               
was a  small dollar  amount at  the time  and thus  moved through                                                               
with ease.  However, it  has a compounding effect reflecting back                                                               
to 1999.   In fact, it increased $10 million  last year and will,                                                               
he predicted, increase to $15 million from 2007 to 2008.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:07:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON recalled that in  some areas there was more                                                               
local contribution  than the  required amount.   He  asked, "Now,                                                               
does  that in  any  way compensate  or is  it  just the  required                                                               
amount and  the state  pays everything above,  even if  the local                                                               
community is contributing more than the required amount?"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS confirmed  that most  municipalities contribute  above                                                               
the required  local effort.   However,  this strictly  deals with                                                               
the   required   local   effort.     In   further   response   to                                                               
Representative  Seaton, Mr.  Jeans explained  that basically  the                                                               
$50  million is  a  state  subsidy on  local  contributions.   If                                                               
districts were  required to  contribute 4 mills  on the  full and                                                               
true  value  today,  there  would  be $50  million  less  in  the                                                               
foundation  program unless  the  legislature  increased the  base                                                               
student allocation to redistribute that money.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON surmised  then that  those [three]  communities are                                                               
getting by without paying the 4  mills, but if they did the state                                                               
would save $50 million.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS pointed  out that  all municipalities  are allowed  to                                                               
make  an  additional  local  contribution  above  that  which  is                                                               
required.  That additional local  contribution doesn't impact the                                                               
community's state aid.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  surmised  then   that  [the  three  aforementioned                                                               
communities] don't  have to  pay the  4 mills,  but they  can pay                                                               
extra in other areas if they so desire.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS,  in response to Representative  Seaton, confirmed that                                                               
the  additional  local  contribution allowed  above  the  minimum                                                               
local contribution is up to 23 percent.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:09:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS related  his concern with regard to  uniformity and how                                                               
the [foundation formula]  is being applied across the  state.  He                                                               
suggested that  perhaps the  solution is to  return to  a uniform                                                               
mill rate  across the state.   Furthermore, if the 45  percent is                                                               
too  low, then  the legislature  needs to  address that  as well.                                                               
The playing field in relation  to the required local effort needs                                                               
to be leveled.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:11:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   NEUMAN   opined   that   the   Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough's 2.8 [contribution]  is a bit deceiving.   For instance,                                                               
he  related  that   he  pays  over  $2,500  per   year  in  local                                                               
contribution for  education whereas a resident  of an unorganized                                                               
area who  pays a 4 mill  rate doesn't come close  to paying that.                                                               
In response  to Chair Wilson,  Representative Neuman  stated that                                                               
the mill rate  for property tax in  the Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                               
is 17.3, which includes the road service area.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:12:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  pointed out  that  the  Alaska Municipal  League's                                                               
documents provide  a list taking  into account sales tax  and the                                                               
mill  rate for  property  tax  in order  to  relate what  percent                                                               
communities  pay   for  education  per  capita.     Chair  Wilson                                                               
highlighted  that  communities  such  as  Ketchikan,  Petersburg,                                                               
Wrangell, and Sitka pay the 4  mills and don't receive any impact                                                               
aide  and  may not  be  as  prosperous as  the  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:14:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  related   her  understanding  that  a                                                               
particular  geographic  area  is  required to  contribute  a  set                                                               
amount of  money to education.   However, because of the  ADM and                                                               
the  land valuation,  the state  provides a  specified amount  of                                                               
money back  to the  community [for  education].   Therefore, some                                                               
areas are receiving a deductive rate on the appraisal prices.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS   noted  his  agreement  that   some  communities  are                                                               
receiving  a deducted  rate  of property  values  that the  state                                                               
picks up.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:15:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  the  referred  to the  slide  entitled,  "Calculating                                                               
Nome's  Full and  True Value,"  which uses  the state  assessor's                                                               
full  value.    The  state  assessor's  value  is  used  for  all                                                               
communities and thus  is applied uniformly across the  state.  In                                                               
response to  Representative Fairclough, Mr. Jeans  confirmed that                                                               
the state  assessor doesn't include  any local exemptions  in the                                                               
full  and  true value  of  the  property of  an  area.   He  then                                                               
continued reviewing the  slide that illustrates that  in order to                                                               
determine a community's  education full and true  value, the 1999                                                               
full value  is subtracted from the  2006 full value.   The result                                                               
of the  aforementioned is divided in  half and added to  the 1999                                                               
full  value.    Therefore,  although   the  4  mills  is  applied                                                               
uniformly to every  community, an artificial full  value has been                                                               
utilized.  The  formula further specifies that the  lesser of the                                                               
minimum of  4 mills of  the education full  and true value  or 45                                                               
percent  of  the  school  district's prior  year  basic  need  is                                                               
utilized  as  the  community's required  local  contribution  for                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:18:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES related his  understanding that once the ADM                                                               
is  calculated  a  dollar  amount  is  determined  based  on  the                                                               
foundation formula, from which the  minimum local contribution is                                                               
subtracted.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS noted  his agreement, but clarified that  it's simply a                                                               
deduction.    The money  doesn't  come  back to  the  department,                                                               
rather it's  a mechanism through which  the department determines                                                               
how much state aid a community will be provided.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:18:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  continued his presentation by  informing the committee                                                               
that the  other revenue considered  in the state  funding formula                                                               
is the  impact aid, which is  under Title VIII.   The impact aid,                                                               
he explained, is basically the  payment in lieu of property taxes                                                               
for federal  lands.  He  pointed out  that the military  bases in                                                               
Anchorage and Fairbanks  and the Coast Guard base  in Kodiak have                                                               
people  living   on  the  bases,  which   are  nontaxable  lands.                                                               
Therefore,  federal impact  aid pays  the school  district a  tax                                                               
effort for  those students living on  the base.  The  other large                                                               
factor  in  Alaska  are  the  lands  conveyed  under  the  Alaska                                                               
National  Interest  Lands  Conservation   Act  (ANILCA).    Those                                                               
students that  live on  such lands  generate impact  aid dollars.                                                               
He clarified  that school districts don't  receive federal impact                                                               
aid merely because  there is federal land  within its boundaries,                                                               
the students  must actually live on  the lands.  Mr.  Jeans noted                                                               
that  the  federal  law  has  a  calculation  that  requires  the                                                               
required  local  effort   to  be  divided  by   the  total  local                                                               
contribution.       Therefore,  if   a  community  is   making  a                                                               
contribution  over   and  above  the  requirement,   the  federal                                                               
government wants  that ratio extended  to the federal  impact aid                                                               
and thus  provide the same benefit  to the federal dollars.   The                                                               
aforementioned  is illustrated  in  the  slides entitled,  "Title                                                               
VIII Percentage" and "Impact Aid."   The impact aid is subtracted                                                               
from  the district's  basic need  just as  is the  required local                                                               
contribution,  he  explained.    In  response  to  Representative                                                               
Seaton,  Mr.  Jeans  confirmed  that  the  impact  aid  funds  go                                                               
directly  to  the school  district  and  don't flow  through  the                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:22:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  returned to  the assessed value.   She                                                               
related her understanding  that in a community  in which property                                                               
values are  increasing from  the values  established in  the base                                                               
year  of  1999,  the  education formula  is  impacted  positively                                                               
because there isn't  additional state aid.   However, a community                                                               
in  which the  population is  decreasing [from  the base  year of                                                               
1999], the  community will  be maxed  to the  full 4  mills local                                                               
contribution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS stated his agreement with Representative Fairclough.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:22:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  pointed  out  that  the  situation  isn't                                                               
necessarily based  on student population  but rather is  based on                                                               
the valuation of the property in the district.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS concurred,  and added  that the  valuation could  grow                                                               
without  an increase  in population  due to  industry entering  a                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:23:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS then  returned to  his presentation  and informed  the                                                               
committee  that school  districts  can  receive additional  funds                                                               
above  basic  need.    Those additional  funds  are  as  follows:                                                               
additional  local  contributions,   quality  schools  grant,  and                                                               
supplemental funding  floor.   The additional  local contribution                                                               
is the greater  of 2 mills of  the tax base or 23  percent of the                                                               
district's basic  need in the current  year.  Mr. Jeans  told the                                                               
committee that  the additional local contribution  factor for all                                                               
the school districts at the  4 mill local contribution level will                                                               
be the 23  percent factor.  In response  to Representative Roses,                                                               
Mr. Jeans  clarified that  the 23  percent is  of basic  need and                                                               
doesn't  have anything  to  do  with the  valuation.   Mr.  Jeans                                                               
turned to  the quality  schools grant,  which takes  the adjusted                                                               
ADM and multiplies it by 16.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:25:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  then addressed the  supplemental funding  floor, which                                                               
was  a hold  harmless/transition provision  ("floor") established                                                               
in Senate  Bill 36.   Therefore, the  difference between  the old                                                               
formula of state  aid and the new formula state  aid was provided                                                               
to the  [district] as transition  funds.  All adjustments  to the                                                               
funding floor are  decreases and occur when there  is an increase                                                               
in basic need or  a decrease in ADM.  He  noted that the increase                                                               
in  basic  need typically  happens  due  to  an increase  in  the                                                               
student   population  or   an  increase   in  the   base  student                                                               
allocation.  The second adjustment  occurs if the ADM falls below                                                               
95  percent of  the  1999  base school  year.    Very few  school                                                               
districts have  fallen into  the aforementioned  category because                                                               
there have  been increases  in the base  student allocation.   In                                                               
response  to Chair  Wilson, Mr.  Jeans  said that  eight or  nine                                                               
schools  are  under  the  [supplemental  funding  floor].    What                                                               
happens with  the funding  formula this  year will  determine how                                                               
many schools  [continue under the supplemental  funding formula].                                                               
If  the legislature  increases the  base  student allocation,  he                                                               
said he  expected the number  of schools under  the [supplemental                                                               
funding floor] to  decrease to four.  However,  he mentioned that                                                               
it  will probably  be a  while longer  before the  Chugiak School                                                               
District  or Pelican  completely  transition to  the new  funding                                                               
formula.   He  then  reviewed the  slide entitled,  "Establishing                                                               
Nome City School's  Floor," which relates how Nome  went from the                                                               
old formula in 1999 to the new formula in 2004.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:29:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  recalled that back  in 1999 there  was the                                                               
sentiment  in the  legislature that  some  school districts  were                                                               
being  paid too  much, which  is why  the floor  was incorporated                                                               
into the new formula as it provided a transitional time period.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:31:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   interjected  that  if   the  legislature                                                               
increases the  base student allocation, there  will be complaints                                                               
that the legislature  is only partially funding  students in some                                                               
areas, which  is related to  the decrease in  transitional funds.                                                               
However, those areas are receiving  more money than they would've                                                               
in the prior year.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:33:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS noted  that he has been through  many education formula                                                               
funding  rewrites.   Under previous  rewrites, the  hold harmless                                                               
was calculated  as it was  in the  first year under  [Senate Bill                                                               
36] and  was a very  prescriptive ratchet  down.  He  opined that                                                               
this  particular provision  has  caused a  lot  of "heart  burn,"                                                               
which he  characterized as a lesson  learned as he said  he would                                                               
be surprised if the legislature went that path again.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:33:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  surmised that  some of the  schools would  say that                                                               
they weren't receiving  too much and viewed  [the ratcheting down                                                               
period] as penalizing them.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:34:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  summarized  that  with  regard  to  the  supplemental                                                               
funding floor, it  will always decrease by 40  percent either due                                                               
to  the  increase  in  basic   need  or  a  decrease  in  student                                                               
population.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:34:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS informed  the committee that he  has been administering                                                               
the foundation program since 1985  and the legislature has always                                                               
fully funded the foundation program.   The program was even fully                                                               
funded in  1987 when  Governor Bill  Sheffield, due  to declining                                                               
oil prices, instituted  a 10 percent across  the board reduction.                                                               
However,  if  there were  a  reduction,  the statute  provides  a                                                               
provision to prorate [the districts] equally.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:35:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN directed the  committee's attention to page                                                               
7  of  the  document  entitled, "Public  School  Funding  Program                                                               
Overview,"  which  utilizes  the   Nome  School  District  as  an                                                               
example.   This  is helpful  because members  can substitute  the                                                               
information for their  districts in order to  determine the total                                                               
state aid entitlement.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:36:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON identified  the  eroding floor  and the  4                                                               
mill requirements  as problematic.   He asked if Mr.  Jeans views                                                               
any other areas of the education funding formula as problematic.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS opined  that  the legislature  will  continue to  have                                                               
discussions  regarding  area  cost   differentials.    Since  the                                                               
eroding floor  is almost gone, it  isn't quite the issue  it once                                                               
was.  However,  he opined that the intensive  needs students need                                                               
to be scrutinized as there have  been claims that they don't meet                                                               
the department's  criteria.   As pointed  out earlier,  the local                                                               
effort  provision needs  to  be  reviewed, he  said.   Mr.  Jeans                                                               
suggested that a hold harmless  for school districts experiencing                                                               
declining enrollment  should be developed because  districts that                                                               
close  a  school  are  penalized,   and  furthermore  it  doesn't                                                               
encourage efficiencies.  Therefore,  a hold harmless provision to                                                               
help  districts transition  to a  new level  of service  would be                                                               
helpful, he opined.  In fact,  Mr. Jeans said that he has drafted                                                               
language on such a provision and  he offered to share it with the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS,  in response to  Representative Seaton, said  that the                                                               
[funding  formula] does  not include  transportation and  thus it                                                               
would  be  a  different  discussion.    In  further  response  to                                                               
Representative  Seaton,  Mr.  Jeans  clarified  that  within  the                                                               
foundation formula  cost differentials, local effort,  and a hold                                                               
harmless provision for declining enrollment should be reviewed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:39:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON turned to the  special needs component.  He                                                               
related  his understanding  that some  schools have  more special                                                               
needs students and the associated costs than other schools.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS said that  the way to address that is  to return to the                                                               
categorical funding and provide  an adjustment for students based                                                               
on  the  service  provided.   However,  the  legislature  made  a                                                               
conscious decision  to utilize  the block  grant because  it felt                                                               
that  districts  were  labeling children  in  order  to  generate                                                               
revenue.   Mr. Jeans specified  that he isn't  advocating either.                                                               
The distribution, whether  the funds are put in  the base student                                                               
allocation or placing  it in the 20 percent  [for special needs],                                                               
really isn't  that different, he  opined.  Mr. Jeans  related his                                                               
belief that block  funding is a good approach  because the school                                                               
districts know  exactly the revenue  source and it  doesn't place                                                               
the department  in a  compliance state.   Furthermore,  the block                                                               
grant  allows  school districts  to  work  with the  revenue  and                                                               
budget for it accordingly.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:42:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked if Mr.  Jeans can provide the  committee with                                                               
examples of invalid claims with regard to intensive services.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS explained  that all  intensive  services students  are                                                               
special  education  students,  but  they  don't  meet  the  seven                                                               
criteria in regulation for intensive  services.  He characterized                                                               
it as  a definition  issue between EED  and what  the legislature                                                               
thought it  was paying for  with the intensive  services category                                                               
versus what  school districts  view as a  high-cost student.   He                                                               
emphasized that school  districts view a high-cost  student as an                                                               
intensive student.  However, unless  that student meets the seven                                                               
criteria  in  regulation, the  student  doesn't  qualify for  the                                                               
additional funding.   He  offered to  provide the  committee with                                                               
the list of the seven criteria for intensive service students.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  recalled a few  years ago when  there were                                                               
some differentials  such that some school  districts allow 4-year                                                               
olds to  enter the  school system and  have them  in kindergarten                                                               
for  two  years.   Representative  Seaton  asked, "Is  there  any                                                               
widespread  shoe  horning of  younger  kids  into school  earlier                                                               
under this classification system?"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS opined  that  the aforementioned  loop  hole has  been                                                               
closed.  Although  there are 4-year olds  who enter kindergarten,                                                               
those  children have  been assessed  and it  has been  determined                                                               
that those children are ready to begin their educational career.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:44:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  if  school  districts can  classify                                                               
three-year olds  as special education  students and  include them                                                               
in the base student count.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  answered that it's  conceivable, although one  must go                                                               
through  the  IEP process.    He  pointed  out that  the  federal                                                               
government  requires  school  districts  to  find  children  with                                                               
disabilities  and  provide  services  to those  children  at  age                                                               
three.  This isn't a problem, he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:45:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS,  in response to  Representative Seaton, said  he could                                                               
provide the  committee with a spreadsheet  showing the difference                                                               
in the distribution  if the $207 million in  additional funds for                                                               
the Public Employees' Retirement  System (PERS) and the Teachers'                                                               
Retirement  System  (TRA)  goes through  the  foundation  program                                                               
versus  the  district's  anticipated   liability.    However,  he                                                               
cautioned  the  committee when  thinking  in  terms of  including                                                               
money in the formula for a specific purpose.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:46:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  related her understanding  that including  the PERS                                                               
and  TRS [obligation]  in the  foundation formula  would increase                                                               
the base student allocation by $1,005.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:47:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  opined that  a disadvantage of  putting the                                                               
PERS  and TRS  obligation into  the formula  has to  do with  the                                                               
school districts that apply for  additional grants.  Furthermore,                                                               
it would  seem to boost  the salary  and benefit percentage  to a                                                               
point at  which many  of them no  longer qualify  [for additional                                                               
grants].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  noted his agreement,  adding that at some  point there                                                               
is so  much money  allocated for salaries  and benefits  that the                                                               
eligibility criteria becomes difficult to meet.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES related  his  understanding  that when  the                                                               
PERS and TRS obligation was  handled in the aforementioned manner                                                               
for  the   university  system,  the  university   system  lost  a                                                               
considerable amount in grants for the aforementioned reasons.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:48:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Health, Education and Social  Services Standing Committee meeting                                                               
was adjourned at 4:48:28 PM.                                                                                                  

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